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Think Tank: The Robert Edward Grant Podcast with Charles Eisenstein

Robert welcomes Charles as he shares his unique journey, from his time in Taiwan, immersed in Eastern philosophies, to his role as a speechwriter and advisor for RFK Jr.’s campaign. 


In this episode of “Think Tank,” Robert welcomes Charles Eisenstein, an acclaimed public speaker, teacher, and author known for his profound insights into civilization, economics, spirituality, and ecology. The episode begins with Robert recalling their first meeting at Aubrey Marcus’s Arcadia event, setting the stage for a deep and engaging conversation.

Charles shares his unique journey, from his time in Taiwan, immersed in Eastern philosophies, to his role as a speechwriter and advisor for RFK Jr.’s campaign. They delve into his pivotal insights on the “story of separation” versus the “story of interbeing,” exploring how these narratives shape our world. Charles discusses the crises of modern civilization, the loss of trust in institutions, and the need for a cultural shift toward honesty and interconnectedness.

Throughout the discussion, Charles emphasizes the importance of community, the degeneration of human capacities, and the potential for a new collective story. The conversation touches on pressing issues like ecological tipping points, the role of social media, and the challenges and opportunities presented by current global crises. Tune in for a thought-provoking episode that challenges conventional perspectives and offers a vision for a more connected and compassionate world.

Charles Eisenstein

About our featured guest:

Charles Eisenstein is an American public speaker, teacher, and author whose work spans various topics, including the history of human civilization, economics, spirituality, and the ecology movement. Key themes in his work include anti-consumerism, interdependence, and the influence of myth and narrative on culture. He posits that global culture is trapped in a destructive “story of separation” and aims to present an alternative “story of interbeing.” Much of his work draws on ideas from Eastern philosophy and the spiritual teachings of various indigenous peoples.

Charles’s journey has been deeply influenced by his early intellectual curiosity and a persistent sense of wrongness in the world. Despite earning a degree in Mathematics and Philosophy from Yale University, he found that academic achievements did not satisfy his deeper quest for truth. This led him to spend his 20s in Taiwan, learning Chinese and immersing himself in Eastern spiritual traditions. His experiences and broad self-education in health, nutrition, globalization, spirituality, physics, and biology provided a foundation for his later work.

Charles’s work has resonated with many, reflecting a collective journey toward a more beautiful world. He has been involved in movements such as Occupy, New Economy, and permaculture, advocating for a shift from a culture of separation to one of interbeing. His book, “The Ascent of Humanity,” captures his insights and the realization that redirected his focus. Despite personal upheavals, including divorce and financial struggles, Charles has formed deep connections and found newfound clarity. He remains a student of life, sharing his experiences and insights freely, believing that the knowledge he conveys is a gift meant to be shared and evolved by all.

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